Notices

comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Old 09-24-2009, 07:46 AM
  #1  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
ebp 99 si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 3,068
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

I've been doin some searching, and haven't came up with much. I was looking for other people's imput on spool characteristics, and streetability.

i'm looking to either get the go-autoworks s362 turbo kit, or the afi bottom mount stage 3 kit. both are around the same price range, but which 1 would be better suited for me? i'm looking to do around 450 on pump gas and 600 on race gas.

any help would be greatly appreciated
Old 09-24-2009, 10:56 AM
  #2  
Moderator
iTrader: (14)
 
TheShodan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: City of Wind, IL, USA
Posts: 24,550
Received 234 Likes on 209 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Well, for one thing, the turbo turbos are COMPLETELY different in terms of response characteristics and size. The quality of the kits from both companies are well designed, though I have more experience with the Peakboost and AFI kits. As for the turbocharger itself, I'm more of an S262/362 fan (as in the one from the Go-Autoworks, because of the extended tip inducer, use of a .70A/R v-band, and great durability. The S362 coincides more with the GT35R than the T3/T67, which is a top end monster.

You can't lose with either kit, but the Borg-Warner turbocharger I believe is more usable than the T67
Old 09-24-2009, 03:22 PM
  #3  
Honda-Tech Member
 
narfdanarf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Miura-Shi, Japan
Posts: 1,309
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

I concur, the s362 kit would be more similar to a 35r kit.
Old 09-24-2009, 04:11 PM
  #4  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Turbo_TONY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wichita, KS
Posts: 407
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

I am shooting for the same goals as you are, with a 84mm LS-V motor. Im going with a peakboost ramhorn with a s362 from TheShodan.
Old 09-24-2009, 07:01 PM
  #5  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
ebp 99 si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 3,068
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

mine is a 81.5mm stock sleeve gsr with block guard,cp 10:1 pistons, crower rods, head is ported, and has full ferrea valvetrain and type-r cams

i want something with a lot of top end though, is the s362 more than enough, or should i do the t3/t67?
Old 09-24-2009, 08:03 PM
  #6  
Moderator
iTrader: (14)
 
TheShodan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: City of Wind, IL, USA
Posts: 24,550
Received 234 Likes on 209 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Both can make good "top end". what is your actual power goal? What are you trying to do with this car?
Old 09-24-2009, 08:36 PM
  #7  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
ebp 99 si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 3,068
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

i would like to have a fun street car/weekend warrior, i know it wont be anywhere near my old hatch, but i would like to be able to drive it to the track, run a low 11 or high 10, and then drive it home. i don't really approve street racing, but i wouldn't mind giving a friend's r6 a run for its money also

i would like to make around 450 on pump gas and 600 on c16 or q16
Old 09-24-2009, 09:51 PM
  #8  
Honda-Tech Member
 
YARO.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Florida
Posts: 238
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

good luck with 600whp on stock sleeves on a street car.
Old 09-24-2009, 09:53 PM
  #9  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
ebp 99 si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 3,068
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

there's actually a lot of them in my area, a friend of mine made 655 on his bone stock type-r like 3 years ago.....it only lasted for 1 season though
Old 09-25-2009, 06:42 AM
  #10  
Man U FTW
 
Schister66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 11,973
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

I would reiterate what has been previously said by The Shodan, but i'll agree with and save myself the writing. The S362 would be a better choice all around. I have an S256 and can imagine the quality (and amazing sound) of the Borgs to be univeral to all their ETT turbos...i couldn't live without that whine
Old 09-25-2009, 07:44 AM
  #11  
Honda-Tech Member
 
roadracer4life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Montgomery, Al
Posts: 353
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

gotta say go with the go-autoworks kits but I am kinda Biased..
but my BW turbo has been pretty great soo far..


-Sam
Old 09-25-2009, 07:51 AM
  #12  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
ebp 99 si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 3,068
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

i think i'm leaning more towards the bw s362 after doing some reading last nite, it seems to have more of a useable powerband on the street and still has good top end
Old 09-25-2009, 12:30 PM
  #13  
Honda-Tech Member
iTrader: (4)
 
Turbo-LS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: South, Texas
Posts: 12,903
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Either one wil work great the t67 is going to be a little more peakish power. i ran one on my old car and loved it but spool doesnt really concern me much so thats why i loved it. also with the right tuning its still a very usable turbo street wise. but the BW would probably the better of the two for all around
Old 09-25-2009, 12:42 PM
  #14  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Poootie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Manhattan, NY, USA
Posts: 1,127
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

i love both Turbos.. But see my Sig!!
Old 09-25-2009, 12:51 PM
  #15  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
ebp 99 si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 3,068
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

i've looked at ur setup a few times, and i love it, but i just wanna keep it simple, i was gonna do a top mount setup
Old 09-25-2009, 02:32 PM
  #16  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Poootie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Manhattan, NY, USA
Posts: 1,127
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Trust me . my set-up just looks complicated because of all the changes i have made..

But it's stock sleeves,9.7:1, eagles and stock crank.No port n polish with Crower valvetrain and CTR cams.
Stock GSR tranny with ITR diff

I have a CM twindisc now, But i'm sure the CC stage 5 would have held the power.

stock ignition, i justt put an external coil in

chipped P28

I'm sure i would have made the same power with a ramhorn manifold, The topmounts helps a LITTLE!!.
Old 09-25-2009, 06:48 PM
  #17  
Honda-Tech Member
 
96 GSR-T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newark, DE
Posts: 6,381
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

You will have better responce with the Borg, but when the T67 kicks in its an animal..... personally I think I am in love with T67's so my opinion might be biased haha

I was making 14lb of boost with mine at 5200rpm with an 81.5mm 8.2:1 GSR with GSR Cams and made power to 9800rpm so it had a nice fat powerband as well, and it was extremely streetable.
Old 09-25-2009, 07:00 PM
  #18  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Bseriescivic5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Mid atlantic
Posts: 3,629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Originally Posted by 96 GSR-T
You will have better responce with the Borg, but when the T67 kicks in its an animal..... personally I think I am in love with T67's so my opinion might be biased haha

I was making 14lb of boost with mine at 5200rpm with an 81.5mm 8.2:1 GSR with GSR Cams and made power to 9800rpm so it had a nice fat powerband as well, and it was extremely streetable.
I like Dan's T4/T67 hehehehe, that thing is just nuts. I went T4 as well
Old 09-25-2009, 07:23 PM
  #19  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
ebp 99 si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 3,068
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

lol...damnit i'm thinkin of goin towards the t67 now, i think its only like $125 to upgrade to a t4 afi kit also
Old 09-25-2009, 07:32 PM
  #20  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
ebp 99 si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 3,068
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Originally Posted by Poootie
Trust me . my set-up just looks complicated because of all the changes i have made..

But it's stock sleeves,9.7:1, eagles and stock crank.No port n polish with Crower valvetrain and CTR cams.
Stock GSR tranny with ITR diff

I have a CM twindisc now, But i'm sure the CC stage 5 would have held the power.

stock ignition, i justt put an external coil in

chipped P28

I'm sure i would have made the same power with a ramhorn manifold, The topmounts helps a LITTLE!!.
is yours a t3 or t4 turbo?
Old 09-25-2009, 08:34 PM
  #21  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Poootie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Manhattan, NY, USA
Posts: 1,127
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Originally Posted by ebp 99 si
is yours a t3 or t4 turbo?
T3!!
Old 09-26-2009, 05:21 AM
  #22  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Boosted_B_Series's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Tuning in, KY, USA
Posts: 1,680
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Go Borg.. everyone's doing it.. lol

I think if you are considering a 67 you should look into a s366

I daily drive mine and track it every weekend.. you can floor it at 3k in 5th and build 4psi almost instantly. Spool is very similar to my old GT3082R, the power it makes isn't however. Stock 81mm bore. 89mm LS Crank

Its absolutely crazy sounding, the whine is one of the loudest attributes that honestly sounds supercharged. The transient response is amazing, I can shift at 8k in 1st and not fall out of boost between the shift. The response is better than any journal bearing turbo I have run across.

But honestly for your ~600whp power goals I would pick the 362 as its perfect for that. Spool would be excellent, it would come on sooner than a 35r and produce more power. I would recommend the s366 or 67 for sleeved setups looking for ~750+whp.

If you go 366+, go divided. Its not needed but I'd prob go divided with a 362 to control lower amounts of boost better.

Hope this helps,
DK
Old 09-26-2009, 09:18 AM
  #23  
Honda-Tech Member
Thread Starter
 
ebp 99 si's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Winchester, VA
Posts: 3,068
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Originally Posted by Boosted_B_Series
Go Borg.. everyone's doing it.. lol

I think if you are considering a 67 you should look into a s366

I daily drive mine and track it every weekend.. you can floor it at 3k in 5th and build 4psi almost instantly. Spool is very similar to my old GT3082R, the power it makes isn't however. Stock 81mm bore. 89mm LS Crank

Its absolutely crazy sounding, the whine is one of the loudest attributes that honestly sounds supercharged. The transient response is amazing, I can shift at 8k in 1st and not fall out of boost between the shift. The response is better than any journal bearing turbo I have run across.

But honestly for your ~600whp power goals I would pick the 362 as its perfect for that. Spool would be excellent, it would come on sooner than a 35r and produce more power. I would recommend the s366 or 67 for sleeved setups looking for ~750+whp.

If you go 366+, go divided. Its not needed but I'd prob go divided with a 362 to control lower amounts of boost better.

Hope this helps,
DK
i think u hit the nail on the head for me, after doing some more reading last nite, the s362 seems like it has a more useable (street friendly) powerband, unlike the bigger turbo's that come on later in the rpm range.
I remember my hatchback with the pt76, i would only have like 8psi at 5000rpm, but i did turn the motor 11500rpm so that didn't really bother me, but with this being a street car, i need something down lower.
Honestly i really liked my procharger cuz it came on instantly, but would fall off above 9krpm, and it had a sound like no other..lol
Old 09-26-2009, 05:16 PM
  #24  
Honda-Tech Member
 
96 GSR-T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Newark, DE
Posts: 6,381
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Originally Posted by Bseriescivic5
I like Dan's T4/T67 hehehehe, that thing is just nuts. I went T4 as well
That only leaves Mikey left on the T3 housing, I have a 1.15 housing for mine now
Old 09-26-2009, 06:53 PM
  #25  
Honda-Tech Member
 
Bseriescivic5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Mid atlantic
Posts: 3,629
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default Re: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67

Originally Posted by 96 GSR-T
That only leaves Mikey left on the T3 housing, I have a 1.15 housing for mine now

I thought you still ran the T3 foot print with that 67? Tuning went terrible tonight, couldnt even get car running right with brandan, back to drawing board.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: comparison between bw s362 & t3/t67



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:41 PM.