Dual stage to single stage?
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Dual stage to single stage?
Is it possible to bypass the the first stage of a dual stage airbag and use it as a single stage?
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Single stage airbag on left - Dual stage on right..
Splice red wires on dual stage and wire it to the single stage connector. Bypass yellow wires..
Possible?
Picture below:
Single stage airbag on left - Dual stage on right..
Splice red wires on dual stage and wire it to the single stage connector. Bypass yellow wires..
Possible?
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Re: Dual stage to single stage?
that sounds like a great idea, i don't see how it would be different. afterall it's just a trigger to an airbag, it should work the same. The billions spent on airbag technology was a waste, you just splice red wire to red wire!! BRILLIANT!
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Heres somebody who has tried it, just wanted some feedback on it. No need to be a dick.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/sc-4...ag-work-2.html
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its dual stage for a reason, but hey, you want to take a chance on a device that is designed to save your life and modify it, by all means...i think Darwin called that natural selection...in short, its a very dumb idea
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Isn't dual stage air bag made to preserve the severe air bag in mild cases? Also, to prevent unneeded pressure to the passenger in less severe conditions?
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exactly, but why would you want to alter that in any way? im honestly trying to make an attempt to understand your reasoning behind it
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Re: Dual stage to single stage?
Actually this is just the airbag itself. The controller is what Triggers the airbag based off sensors placed on the vehicle, NO? This dual stage air bag is basically 2 air bags with different pressures. The dual stage controller is what chooses which airbag to set off. So if we are using a single stage controller, we could choose which bag to use and run a dual stage bag as a single stage. Either the more severe bag or the mild bag, only one will be connected and only one will be triggered?
Heres somebody who has tried it, just wanted some feedback on it. No need to be a dick.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/sc-4...ag-work-2.html
Heres somebody who has tried it, just wanted some feedback on it. No need to be a dick.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/sc-4...ag-work-2.html
You can't be serious, then I see that you try to defend your proposal?
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I can't believe that you're serious and not a forum troll. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING ALTERING THE SRS SYSTEM? It's one thing to convert the entire dual stage system to single stage, or vice versa, but to try to engineer your own version of it without understanding it is INSANE. If you don't understand it to the point where you can do the conversion yourself, would you not agree it's best to leave it to the billions of dollars that went into engineering and technological advances?
You can't be serious, then I see that you try to defend your proposal?
You can't be serious, then I see that you try to defend your proposal?
We could all learn something about airbags here, yea?
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"The airbag sensor is a MEMS accelerometer, which is a small integrated circuit with integrated micro mechanical elements. The microscopic mechanical element moves in response to rapid deceleration, and this motion causes a change in capacitance, which is detected by the electronics on the chip that then sends a signal to fire the airbag. The most common MEMS accelerometer in use is the ADXL-50 by Analog Devices, but there are other MEMS manufacturers as well."
Seems like all the technology is located in the control unit, sensors, etc.. and the air bag is just waiting for the trigger from the control unit. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there is a vast amount invested in the acutal bag itself. But if the air bag is just that..an airbag..waiting to be deployed. I don't see how you can't swap this out? If you crash, controller unit sends signal to air bag..air bag deploys..no?
What is actually inside the airbag?
Seems like all the technology is located in the control unit, sensors, etc.. and the air bag is just waiting for the trigger from the control unit. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there is a vast amount invested in the acutal bag itself. But if the air bag is just that..an airbag..waiting to be deployed. I don't see how you can't swap this out? If you crash, controller unit sends signal to air bag..air bag deploys..no?
What is actually inside the airbag?
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Re: Dual stage to single stage?
nothing is actually inside the air bag until it deploys, then i believe its inflated with nitrogen...i strongly urge you not to try to reverse engineer an airbag...im not quite sure if that was the answer you were looking for...i would imagine, however, that if you disabled, say the severe airbag, it would adversly affect the "mild" airbag in a sense that would render the entire system useless, setting yourself up for catastrophic consequences
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Re: Dual stage to single stage?
Ok, go do it then on what you think is how it works. I don't claim to understand to know the elements, triggers, chemical compounds, their reactions or anything within an airbag system, but I do have the common sense to know that its a bad idea to make assumptions about a system and modifying the system based on those assumptions.
Have fun then, and I hope for your sake that you never find yourself in a situation where the airbag may need to be deployed.
Have fun then, and I hope for your sake that you never find yourself in a situation where the airbag may need to be deployed.
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nothing is actually inside the air bag until it deploys, then i believe its inflated with nitrogen...i strongly urge you not to try to reverse engineer an airbag...im not quite sure if that was the answer you were looking for...i would imagine, however, that if you disabled, say the severe airbag, it would adversly affect the "mild" airbag in a sense that would render the entire system useless, setting yourself up for catastrophic consequences
Since I will be converting this to a single stage. The single stage controller cannot decide which airbag to deploy because it only has 1. So any airbag connected to the control unit will be triggered as soon as conditions are met by the single stage controller no matter which airbag you connect to it..mild or severe (of course I would wire the severe bag and not the mild).
Again, this is just my thinking based on how airbags work. If I am missing something or oversimplifying the system, drop it on me
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Once the electrical circuit has been turned on by the sensor, a pellet of sodium azide (NaN3) is ignited. A rapid reaction occurs, generating nitrogen gas (N2). This gas fills a nylon or polyamide bag at a velocity of 150 to 250 miles per hour. This process, from the initial impact of the crash to full inflation of the airbags, takes only about 40 milliseconds (Movie 1). Ideally, the body of the driver (or passenger) should not hit the airbag while it is still inflating. In order for the airbag to cushion the head and torso with air for maximum protection, the airbag must begin to deflate (i.e., decrease its internal pressure) by the time the body hits it. Otherwise, the high internal pressure of the airbag would create a surface as hard as stone-- not the protective cushion you would want to crash into!
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Re: Dual stage to single stage?
well, ill tell you from experience, my face has never met an airbag that it got along with, they suck and they hurt like hell...now as far has which bag is deployed is completely dependent on the actual controller...technically speaking, both airbags work independently, but are controlled by the same trigger ie the controller...does that make sense at all?
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well, ill tell you from experience, my face has never met an airbag that it got along with, they suck and they hurt like hell...now as far has which bag is deployed is completely dependent on the actual controller...technically speaking, both airbags work independently, but are controlled by the same trigger ie the controller...does that make sense at all?
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it does....but it might trigger something to malfunction inside the controller since its setup for two airbags and only one is being used...to be honest, im not quite sure what goes on inside the controller
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Ahh..I'll talk to the guy at clublexus to see whats going on with his..
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Why would I get a convert to single stage system when I already have one?
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Re: Dual stage to single stage?
Ok, then what benefit do you see from converting a dual-stage airbag to a single stage to work in the 00-05? Why not just get the one that's designed to work with the existing system?
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Now I have just opened the door for people who wants to swap the newer AP2 steering wheel into their single stage system..
I contribute not just leech okay? thanks bye..